this may start out with stardust, but of course it ends with narnia

[bedlamsbard]

I just watched Stardust, and aside from being highly amused, my main thoughts revolve around the following:

Ben Barnes is Dunstan Thorne, a.k.a. CASPIAN is Dunstan Thorne. (Although. He looks younger here than he does in PC. *flaps hands*)

Does this mean that Charlie Cox is Rilian? (I mean, really, he bears a strong resemblance to Ben Barnes in PC.)

...personally, I'm starting to think that Rilian may have taken after his mother. In other words, I think Rilian was white-blond and looked nothing like Caspian at all, and there was a lot of rumor about whether Queen Star's Daughter had been messing around behind the king's back. I don't think Rilian wasn't Caspian's son, I just have this theory that he didn't really look like Caspian at all. Not that this relates to Tirian being a redhead or anything, three hundred years down the line.

Thoughts?

The other Narnia-related thought I had was how fashion might have changed in three hundred years. *facepalm* Chances that contemporary pre-Calormene Narnian fashion might have resembled turn of the century Western? Because I'd be down with that. I mean, chances are it will never come up in Dust, but you never know.

I would say that I think about things other than Narnia, but it's really not true at this point. The only difference is which particular part of Narnian history I'm thinking about, or if it's one of the AUs.

Comments

[caramelsilver.livejournal.com]

One day you are gonna write one hell of a book!

You're right the styles would've changed. Damn, I like the Narnian clothes. (As in the movie.) How would it look? Would there be corsets involved?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

It's worse when I'm doing it for an original. Trust me here; I have to come up with every. single. detail. and I can't even gallivant off with the werewolves for a bit. Throwing myself headfirst into Narnia was my recovery from working on nothing but my original novel for about eight months.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Er. And then I remembered there was a second part to your comment. I'm thinking equivalent to somewhere in the eighteenth century? Pirates of the Caribbean type clothes. (Look, apparently by "turn of the century" I mean, "I have no idea about anything concerning fashion.") Somewhere around this period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1750-1795_in_fashion)? *dubious*

Which means yes, there may be corsets involved.

[caramelsilver.livejournal.com]

That's... Frivolous. And probably very painful for the ladies. Of course they won't be dressed like that camping out in the woods? And would the Narnians think the Pevensies were dressed strange then?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

No, after five years of living in the woods they're not exactly at the height of fashion. I wish I'd thought about this when I was writing Dust 1, I would have put in a bit about how Tirian thinks the Pevensies are oddly dressed, considering they're basically wearing hunting/scouting clothes from the Golden Age. (This will also be explained at some point.)

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

*buts in*
Well, (in movieverse) they wore corsets during the Golden Age, too. at least they did in LWW & PC because I remember Anna talking about wearing corsets during filming. They were talking about the scene in the woods where she kills everyone and is awsome and she said something along the lines of that it was harder to aim when wearing a corset but it makes her have good posture which looks good cinematicaly. But thier clothes were from thier chests which they had in the Golden Age, so...

[muridae-x.livejournal.com]

I suspect there weren't any corsets in the bookverse though; I half-remember a line about "in Narnia your best clothes were also your comfortable clothes" which doesn't suggest there was boning involved.

Narnian fashion is tricky because of the long periods when there weren't any humans living there. The talking animals don't wear clothes (Reep's feather aside), and the dwarves seem to dress differently, a bit more homespun than royal court attire. Probably the Pevensies coronation wear harked back strongly to whatever was fashionable at the time that Frank and Helen's line died out, and then Golden Age fashion gradually got influenced by what was being worn in Galma and Archenland as the years went on and they travelled. They'd have reverted back to those early days again in PC though, because the other stuff wouldn't fit, particularly for Lucy and Edmund.

(I'm now having visions of older siblings borrowing clothes from the younger ones: "I always really liked that dress, and it won't fit you again until you've grown at least another foot. Can I have it?")

Telmarine fashion is fairly different, from what we can see, so unless there was a retro-Golden Age fad during Caspian's reign in honour of the Kings and Queens odd clothing, that's probably what would have evolved into Tirian's time and Dust.

At least by then the Pevensies would fit into the rest of the Golden Age clothing in their chests.

[burntcopper.livejournal.com]

Well, considering a corset is also pretty much your only option for decent support if you're not wearing a bra, particularly supportive clothing or chest binding of some sort...
Thing to note : Corsets weren't that uncomfortable to wear until quite late on, when they got that obsession about making your waist tiny (or the Gibson Girl era, when it was all about making your entire body fit into a particular really fucking stupid unnatural shape). You can wear them all day without much of a problem.

Booksverse, probably not, since all the illustrations look like Plantagenet-ish.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

It has been too long since I read the books. "Dust" is tricky, because I was assuming we were going off movieverse but then I realized that there is no movie for LB, so does that mean we are going off bookverse? Is "Dust" part of Warverse? Because isn't Warverse based of of movieverse? This is making my head hurt. Bedlam, help. *facepalm*

I think your totally right about the Frank and Helen thing. I kind of like the idea of the Pevensies being totally out of fashion during the first few years. Just another reason why no one really takes them seriously at first. After all, they're just a bunch of kids who have no idea what thier doing, and who dress like they did hundreds of years ago.

(My new canon is that Susan's Red and Gold Dress when they're all riding into the castle is really Lucy's: "I wore this the night of the Rolatea Festival in Galma, do you remember? I mean, it won't fit me anymore, but it will look lovely on you. Will you wear it?"

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Dust is movieverse up through PC, using Warsverse background (Golden Age and PC except for the earth bond; general rule of thumb is that everything uses the same Golden Age Warsverse background in my fic. Except for the Everse; that's the only thing that doesn't), and then goes bookverse through VotDT, SC, and LB, since those don't have movieverse equivalents, but uses my personal canon for what the Pevensies were doing in the interim (Peter in the RAF, etc.).

...there is a chance that that doesn't help. *cough* Dust is movieverse as far as the movies go, and then it switches to bookverse.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Thank you? I'm pretty sure that helps. Kind of.

No, it really does help. Thanks.

Why doesn't Everse follow Warverse again? Oh yeah, the Lucy thing. I'm a bit confused about that. Care to explain? *bats eyelashes*

[caramelsilver.livejournal.com]

But are we suppose to know that she wears a corset? I mean, doesn't it say again and again in the books how comfortable the Narnian clothing is?

[burntcopper.livejournal.com]

one of the outfits? that there is a bodice. it's like a loose corset.

[caramelsilver.livejournal.com]

But are we suppose to know that she wears a corset? I mean, doesn't it say again and again in the books how comfortable the Narnian clothing is?

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

I have contemplated in the past writing Dunstan Thorne/Caspian set in Aslan's Country. 'Cos all you have to do to find anyone or anyplace is go further up and further in, and there London is just across the gorge from Narnia anyway. Aslan's Country, it's like a crossover portal, except you can only write about dead people, and no one's allowed to be angsty.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Personally, I feel that one could write Narnia being just across the mountains from Stormhold, and sometimes traders from Narnia come in, and perhaps one of the Pevensies or Caspian is there for whatever reason, and should happen to cross the Wall...

I wonder what the chances are Professor Kirke's house is somewhere 'round there? *thoughtful*

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

that too! there just seems to be something in every fantasy story that can serve as a crossover device. and why WOULDN'T his house be somewhere round there.

and, yvaine and ramandu's daughter THROW DOWN.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

wandering from narnia to stormhold to england -- or from england to stormhold to narnia? edmund and susan crossing the wall from england and wandering through the market town, seeing the narnian traders! "we can never tell peter," susan says, swallowing hard and fingering a piece of dwarf-made jewelry, a string of pearls from galma. edmund strokes two fingers down the hilt of a sword and doesn't say anything.

yvaine would totally win. ramandu's daughter is a pushover.

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

i like the crossing over from england, the bittersweet rediscovery. excitement and trepidation, and maybe a little like being caught red-handed because they thought they weren't supposed to come back ever. one says it's getting late and the other replies yes it is. but they linger.
we should go back and there's a hesitant pause before the reply because: back to where? which?

totally. she didn't even warrant a name!

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

and edmund points out that it's not technically narnia, so maybe it's all right. and they say, just one drink won't hurt, right? and go into the inn. the gossip is about the treaty with narnia, about rilian's wedding and caspian's death.

"how long," susan wants to say, but she holds her tongue.

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

later edmund tells her, "he came back to our world, you know."
"what?"
"caspian, after eustace and jill rescued rillian. just for a little bit though, not too long. just enough to show teach those brats at the experiment house a lesson."
a pause as susan registers that she isn't as surprised as she feels she ought to be. "what did he think? of our world, that is."
"i don't know. eustace didn't say. rather sounds like he and aslan just came to shake up the bullies, and then they went back."
"tell me about it."
edmund smiles. "you didn't want to hear about it then."
"no... i suppose i didn't, then."
"anyway, that's all there is to tell."

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

peter sits outside the inn and drinks. "studying with the professor, are you?" someone asks, settling into the seat next to him, and peter turns to see the dark-haired man there. there's something familiar about his face.

"that's right," peter says, and holds out his hand. "peter pevensie, at your servce."

the stranger doesn't give his name. "do you know why this village is called wall?" he asks.

"i hadn't given it much thought." the hair on the back of his neck is standing up. he puts the mug down on the bench beside him and slips one hand into his pocket, curling his fingers around his pocketknife.

"a few miles that way," says the stranger, waving southward, "there's a wall. they say it divides england from another world, a magical world."

"sounds like nonsense," peter says, ignoring the way his breath catches in his throat and his fingers tighten on the knife. "you're just having it off with the city boy, aren't you?"

"see for yourself, peter pevensie," says the stranger, smiling. it's the kind of smile that used to make peter reach for rhindon. "about a hundred years ago, a boy from this village crossed the wall -- and vanished. might be interesting to see, don't you think?"

I'm commenting here as to not mess up your guys' VIBE

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

so, i'm commenting here but this is really about the commentfic; i didn't want to screw with your guys' flow. so, sorry to interupt, but i've been thinking about this story alot and i wanted to offer some food for thought. YOU CAN TOTALLY DISREGARD THIS IF YOU WANT; IT'S JUST ONE WAY THE STORY COULD GO.

first off, i am fascinated by the idea of a war amoung the gods. (i can totally see aslan and the trickster sitting down together and the trickster is all, "you are an idiot for giving them up. and they are mine now." and aslan roars but the trickster is already gone, and all aslan can hear is his echoing laughter) i can also see the pevensies (maybe subconsciously) going, "you may have kicked us out and ruined our lives but there are other worlds and there are other gods and we don't need you. not anymore."

perhaps aslan brings lucy through with eustace and jill?
well, i'm hoping the trickster gets to her first, because he realizes that they work best all together and that if he want's to defeat aslan (does he want to defeat alsan?) he'll need all four of them. i have a hard time seeing lucy (and all the pevensies, really) actively standing against aslan, but i'm pretty sure if it came down to aslan vs. narnia they would pick narnia, though lucy could probubly go either way. I dont, however, see her standing against her siblings and i imagine the trickster probubly manipulated the hell out of her to get her on his side. in some ways getting her alligence might be the easiest, because she is niave, and she's all alone in england and he promises her magic, after all.

"you are not aslan." and he's not. all at once, he's a tall, young man, with flaming red hair; he has one green eye and one blue, and a sly smile that makes her hair stand end.

"no, i'm not."

"then what do you want from me?"

"it's not what i want from you, lucy pevensie, it's what i can give to you."

"i don't understand."

"i can give you everything, i only ask for your alligence."

"my alligence is to narnia, and to alsan." she say's it automatically, like a reflex.

"alsan betrayed you and narnia," he whispers. "he thrice threw you from a land that is rightfully yours; he deserted narnia and let your kingdom fall to ruins, and when you finished picking up the pieces he threw you out again. and then he banished you. what gives him the right? now narnia is in ruins again, and it's aslans doing: he's tearing it apart from the inside.

"i don't believe you," she say's quickly, "he would nev-"

"but what if he did?" he interupts, "what would you do? where is your alligence, lucy pevensie? to narnia? or to aslan?"

"it's the same-" she starts, but even as she says this, she knows it isn't true. it was narnia that had called them to her, in her time of need, and it had been aslan who sent them away, time and time again.

"you don't believe that," the trickster continues as lucy turns her head away, "i know you don't. and you need to make a choice, like the rest of your family."

her head snaps towards him at that. "no," she say's, shaking her head," they wouldn't, and besides peter's in the country with professor kirke, and susan and edmund-"

"when's the last time you heard from them, lucy?" he counters. "do you know where they are? what thier doing?"

"i can show you, lucy," he whispers when she says nothing, and then he holds out his hand.
his skin burns when thier fingers touch.

at that point, he could either a) show her pete, su & ed ("they can see you, lucy. they can't hear you either.") or b) just appear to them with lucy in tow, or c) he just drops her off somewhere and she finds them on her own or d) she becomes his minion or angel, if you like, and does his binding. in all of these options he brands her with the cup at some point (perhaps when thier fingers touched? that's why it burned?)

wait, what was the point of this comment? i got distracted by wishful thinking in the form of dialog and very little artistic ability. so, yeah. *facepalm* i cant really remember what i was trying to say.

Re: I'm commenting here as to not mess up your guys' VIBE

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

oooh, i like that.

Re: I'm commenting here as to not mess up your guys' VIBE

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

thanks. it kind of turned out really eve-and-the-serpent what with temptation and turning against "god" and whatnot. also, i like the idea that lucy has to conciously make a choice to side with the trickster over aslan while peter's choice was more or less accidental (he didn't know at the time) and edmund and susan are still a mystery (did it happen when they lost thier memory? NO ONE KNOWS!)

i'm loving this story by the way, and the way it's headed. XD