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[bedlamsbard]

Oh, AWESOME. Looking back at LB to check such trivial details as how Jewel addresses Tirian, I find just how much stuff I've written (a.k.a. DEATH BY EXPOSITION) is contradicted by, you know, the actual text.

I, uh. I really like the backstory I came up with. *stares at ceiling* Perhaps Lantern Waste's location has changed in sixteen hundred years. (Also a wrong date, but hey, this one's understandable: he says two hundred years since Rilian died, so it could probably be three hundred years since PC, if Caspian reigned for ages and ages and Rilian ruled for an age and a half or so.)

(Tirian's eyes, apparently? BLUE. Not green, then. Although, heh, movieverse, which contradicts bookverse in about a million different ways.)

(Also, Tirian in the books? Even more of an idiot than Tirian in Dust. And I'm working damn hard to make Tirian actually competent, and no wonder.)

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[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

Book!Tirian barely had any personality, actually...his function was to *be* the last king of Narnia. If he'd been tougher and stronger, then there would have been no "last battle", unless Aslan just stood up and said, "Fuck it, I'm done!" and rolled things up without any pretense at reason or necessity...er, almost like canon.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Oh, lord, yes. I mean, that's how he's introduced. Lewis is all, "and this was the last of the kings of Narnia!"

I am giving my Tirian a personality if it kills me. Which it damn well may do.

Agh, I have sentient!Narnia in Dust because seriously, how else are people actually going to realize he's the High King? And now I feel like I'm just repeating "The Bone's Prayer," because it's basically the same thing without the torture. I mean, it's not, because it's Peter and not Edmund, but ARGH.

[muridae-x.livejournal.com]

Also, Tirian in the books? Even more of an idiot than Tirian in Dust.

I kind of like Tirian, because I think he gets a shitty deal from Lewis. But just how idiotic was it for him and Jewel to just give themselves up to the Calormenes, when there was no more guarantee that their new knowledge of the situation was any more accurate than their old one?

He's definitely not either a devious thinker or a suspicious soul, our last king of Narnia.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

It was pretty damn idiotic, let's put it that way. From what it seemed, Narnia practically got itself conquered without a shot fired, figuratively speaking.

[burntcopper.livejournal.com]

you've really got to stop aping the movie people by giving one-note character personality, depth and motivation. It's a terrible habit.

This is like when I re-read PC and VotD and realised how much I wanted to pitch Caspian out the window. This is what growing up does to you.

My current problem is trying to deal with the poor sods that're the Pevensie parents : currently spending the entirety of Peter's visit home bewildered.

And I really, really fucking wish CS Lewis had specified what Edmund was like before he became a brat due to first year of school and dad leaving for the army; I can't sodding tell if they'd notice his changes much. I mean, they're all more grown-up/slightly more distant/cliquey.

Susan keeps showing disturbing political insight for someone they discounted as 'pretty and not intellectual'. Lucy does personality switch into full-on ward sister when confronted with medical (essentially she's going 'right, and you've never downplayed injuries before' and ordering Peter around), Peter is cheerful and suddenly much more relaxed and comfortable in his skin now he's in the army. and showing no signs of stress, trauma, etc.This last one makes it very difficult for dad!Pevensie to enquire about these rumours he's heard about his son being a savage killer.

The problem is Edmund fades into the background and is quiet most of the time anyway. GAH. was he like this pre-war? Do they think it's just him settling down? :headdesk:

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

you've really got to stop aping the movie people by giving one-note character personality, depth and motivation. It's a terrible habit.

I am? Where? With who?


Everytime I reread the books I realize how much I actually kind of hate them now. Because it's just -- *flails hands* OH C.S. LEWIS NO.

Poor Pevensie parents. They really have no idea, do they?

[burntcopper.livejournal.com]

this reminds me, are you ever going to post your dad! Pevensie snippets?

And we're not even taking into account the perspective of the racist/gender stereotyping. Lucy. In VotD.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

I don't think I actually have any dad!Pevensie snippets. Actually, I think I have one, but it's lost in a comment somewhere, and I don't know where. It's the one where Peter pulls a knife on his father because he's just been pulled out of a sound sleep.

This is why I don't remember anything other than the broad strokes of the books; they annoy me too much.

[animus-wyrmis.livejournal.com]

I...don't really remember The Last Battle too much because I *hated* it as a child, but doesn't Tirian just sort of...wander around with no idea what's going on and get himself captured, and then have to call on Jill and Eustace to save him? And they wind up being better at it all than he is (which is just sad)? Talk about useless; even Rilian was slightly more competent, and he fell in love with his mom's killer! :/

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Oh, Tirian doesn't wander around and get himself captured, he hands himself over to the Calormenes because he thinks it's Aslan's will. I mean, I don't think I could actually make him any more incompetent if I tried. One of these days I'm going to end up writing fic where Caspian finds Tirian somehow -- time travel, resurrection, ghost, Aslan's Country -- and bitchslaps him for being an idiot. Seriously, writing Tirian gives me so much more appreciation for Caspian; Caspian had a hell of a lot of charisma, and Caspian had balls. Tirian has to work at both.