yes, yes, they're all so screwed, carry on

[bedlamsbard]

Stop the presses! Caspian has managed to learn that the world does not revolve around him. *is shocked*

This would be an interesting story to tell from two POVs, except I swore I'd never do that again after "In Constellated Wars." But still...

*sigh* Actually, to get the transitory aspect of the Caspian of "In Constellaed Wars" and the Caspian of "Once More for the Ages" that y'all keep asking for, I probably would have to do this from Caspian's POV, because all we're getting now is Edmund going, "Good, he's not so annoying, maybe I won't have to kill him and call it an accident after all," and cutting himself open (for, uh, unrelated reasons).

Look, see?

“The High King is in Narnia,” Caspian insists, and keeps talking even when the nix hits him again, spitting the words out along with blood and a shard of broken tooth. “The High King is at Aslan’s How, answering the call of Queen Susan’s horn. Peter of Narnia is here.”

“Lying Telmarine bastard!” the nix declares as Edmund revises his opinion of Caspian substantially.

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[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Oh, I didn't realize that Edmund had the wedding/ritual with Peta too. I wonder how Caspain will react to that.
Caspain: We're going to do what? In front of who?
I guess that's why they want to get him drunk first, but do they ever actually tell him about Narnia the vindictive country?

LIES! You are bursting with opinions! It's even crazier than Peter and Peta because at least with them there is some sort of distinction, but with the others it like meeting your clone or your evil twin.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

By I wonder how Caspian will react to that I meant the ritual part itself not the Edmund part, but the Edmund part is interesting to think about, too. I'm assuming Caspain never knows in Peterverse, but does he in Petaverse? Do they ever tell him. I'd imagine they won't have too many secrets after 13 years of marraige. Wait, were they married for 13 years or 15 or 18?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

They were married for thirteen years, but if we count how long they were actually together, it's just short of fourteen. But, it's two years in Narnia between Peta leaving and coming back, and five years in England between Peta arriving and leaving. (I wanted them to be closer in age than they would be if it was, a, the same amount of time, or, b, longer in Narnia, since Peta would have been sixteen again when she came back England, and Caspian would have been thirty-four. As it is, when she ends up in Narnia again, Caspian's thirty-six and Peta's twenty-one. AWKWARD.)

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

I read this so fast that I had to read it three times before I actaually understood it, lol.

That is kind of awkward, but it isn't too bad, and age is just a number anyway. So are Peter and Peta both the same age again but Peta just grew up twice? And when she grows up the second time is she the same age that she (and Peter) was at the end of LWW? I think the math adds up. This leads me to my crack theory that the Pevensies are incapable of growing beyond the age they were in LWW (and the second time around in Peta's case) and thats why they were pushed back.
Now I am having all these ideas about Immortal!Pevensies that I would like to share if you are interested. ;)

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Share away! I am always interested. (Although I will note that that's part of the basis of my immortal!Susan story -- she's stuck at the age she was when she left Narnia.)

Hang on, now I have to think about it. Curse you, time travel!

Okay, during the Golden Age, the Pevensies were in Narnia for fifteen years; my Peter went there when he was fifteen and came back when he was thirty. Same for Peta. And with the Second Summer (her reign with Caspian), she went when she was sixteen and came back when she was...thirty.

OH HUH. I didn't think of that! On the other hand, there's, uh, secret twist character...okay, at this point, I think it's fair to say that the secret twist is that one of the other Pevensies Isn't Really Dead.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Alright. So this is like my crack fanon to your crack canon. They don't die on the train because they are all immortal which leads us to your Immortal!Susan and the Peter&Batman story, but now Edmund and Lucy are immortal, too, so what are they doing? You said once that Edmund would make a beter James Bond than Peter, so my theory is Edmund IS James Bond. Bond totally dies on one of his early missions and Edmund is for some reason there when he died (maybe he killed him, *muses*) and it's like the Dreaded Pirate Roberts and so Edmund just tells everyone he is James Bond and he just becomes Bond and somehow it works out and it is awsome.

So if the Pevensies where immortal: Susan and Peter would be in Gothum doing Batman and Edmund would be James Bond, my only problem is I don't know what Lucy would be doing. Dude, Lucy should totally go to Hogwarts... or Forks, lol.

one of the other Pevensies Isn't Really Dead I seriously screamed when I read this. *crosses fingers for Edmund* Can you tell, I'm a little biased towards him?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

ahahahaha. I am kind of tempted to pull Edmund back from Aslan's Country too, like Peter.

ARGH NOT FORKS NO NO NO NO. Hate Twilight. Spork my eyes out with a chainsaw.

One of the Pevensies isn't really dead, one of the Pevensies is really dead (Caspian saw their head; boy, aren't those Telmarines nice?), and one of the Pevensies may or not really be dead; I haven't decided yet. And Rilian's not dead and Caspian's not dead, obviously.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT! You totally should.

I was kidding about Forks (Lucy totally stole Edmund's virtue), but not so much about Hogwarts. I think it would be fascinating if Lucy started exibiting magic but as the Pevensies sort of have a thing about Witches and Wizards (hello, White Witch and evil-swan-dude-whose-name-I-don't-remember) it's like, kept a secret. But then Lucy finds out about Hogwarts through Tom, who is, of course, sleeping with Susan (*cough*lassiter*cough*) and then she goes and, yeah, thats about as far as I've gotten.

I have a feeling that Lucy faked her death (because she is awsome like that) and that Edmund is really dead, and Susan is iffy, which is depressing because I WANT EDMUND but really, I'll take what I can get. Though I was really looking foward to compleate and total hotness that is Double Edmund.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

*stares at ceiling* I suppose I'll have to write it just so I can reveal WHO LIVES.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Yay! Keep writing! I shall no longer distract you tonight. I do have a bunch of homework I've been putting off. *sulks*

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

And I have to go to bed because I have class tomorrow! And I did no homework all weekend. WHOOPS.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Me neither. I suck at life.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS. GO TO BED.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Which is kind of awkward, because since it's a fertility ritual, the question is how did Edmund avoid knocking up Peta, especially with magic involved?

Maybe? It's not the issue with Peta that it is with Peter, so it's not as important.

There's a good reason Peta wants to get Caspian drunk. *smirk*

No, I, uh...secret plot twist.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Maybe they used magic contraceptives. It probubly would have been frowned upon becasue it's a fertility ritual, so they they would have had to use secret magic contraceptives, but nobody wants an incestious hier running around, so...

Also, some for thought: I know it's a little late now to change, but why was it Edmund at all? The reason he voluntered in Peter's case was becasue they didn't want and incestious hier so it wouldn't make sense for Edmund to volenteer when they know there's a chance for her to get pregnant. He would have been the last person to volenteer. It makes more sense for Susan (or Lucy, but I imagine they vetoed Lucy) to volenteer to be the "bride" because they know they can't impregnate eachother. Please feel free to contradict as they are your characters (well technacily they are Lewis but, whatever).

DUN DUN DUN! Secret plot twists make me happy.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Some food for thought. *headdesk*

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

No, uh, this is a good question. I'm growing as a writer/worldbuilder. Watch me make something up off the top of my head!

Peter prefers men. (Actually, my Peter's bi, but he strongly prefers men.) Peta also prefers men. There's a lot of magic in being willing and a lot of magic in enjoyment/happiness/sexual fulfillment, and the effect of the ritual would have been stronger if Peta's, um, in the mood? So to speak. And it's stronger with a man and a woman, even though it actually ends up being two women, which weakens it (see, with Peter, it's Peter and Narnia, who's female, so it is male and female, and it's sexist magic, what can I say. It would have been pretty darn strong no matter which of his siblings Peter was with).

And Susan was very, very opposed to the whole idea, and the "bride" needs to be willing.

If that made any sense. At all.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

So does Peta like women even a little bit? She must have experimented, right? Even Susan did. The "sexist magic" thing makes sense but as the bride needs to be willing, I can't imagine Edmund would be too willing when he knows the possible consquences. But then again he kind of was sleeping with Peta anyway, so he might just be in it for the sex but on the other hand there's no way he would do it just for the sex; I mean he can get sex from so many other places so it's more likely that he'd be running for the hills.

Susan was really opposed to it, but Lucy was rather willing, wasn't she?

At any point you can say "THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT IS!" and I will shut but I think it's fascinating and kind of important to explore this from all differnt angles.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Peta definitely experimented, but she's more straight than Peter is gay. (Oh, god, this is such a weird conversation. *facepalm*)

Well, no one really knew what was going to happen. Peter/Peta was having sex dreams (thank you Narnia) saying that it had to be one of the Pevensie siblings, but the knowledge of what the ritual meant had been lost to Narnia thanks to the White Witch. So -- as far as the Pevensies are concerned, it's probably just sex, with a little magic mixed in. (And then it happens, and, uh, hell no.)

I'm not sure if Edmund and Peta were sleeping together yet. This is in about, oh, year four, year five. Peta would have been 19-20, Susan would have been 18-19, Edmund would have been 16-17, and Lucy would have been 14-15 -- so too young, there; Peta would have drawn a line.

There are probably contraceptives Peta used. Huh, maybe that's another reason the bond wasn't as strong...

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Wierd Conversations FTW!

And then of course it happens, and all hell breaks lose. Though actually, it's not really that hellish at all compared to Peterverse. In fact it relitively normal. How strange.

Is the ritual later in Peterverse? I was under the impression that it was 6 or 7 years in, but I might have just totally made that up. Yeah, Lucy would have been too young and Peta would have drawn the line, but really she wasn't that young. When did your Lucy start sleeping around (I make her seem like such a whore, even though she kind of is one, but in, like, a really good way; she just likes having fun)? I was thinking around 13 becasue at that point she's already been ruling for three years and kicking ass and taking names.

Now that you put it that way, Edmund really is the prime canidate, in both cases. Thank you for helping me understand.

Add that to the long list of reasons. They were kind of doomed from the beginning, weren't they? Or not doomed, depending on how you look at it.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Peta thinks she's so unlucky untiil Peter comes to her Narnia -- and more or less keels over, and she gets it second or third-hand.

No, the ritual's about the same time. I dither about dates all the time (in case anyone hasn't noticed), and part of the reason here is that I keep getting tripped up on the age issue, but there's really no reason to because it's not like there's an age of consent in Narnia.

Probably thirteen or fourteen, yeah. Most likely to one of Osumare Seaworth's sailors. *rolls eyes*

No, thank you. I need to make it make sense too!

Peta's Narnia isn't as strong and healthy as Peter's is, and she doesn't have as tight as control over it, but she never realizes she should or she could have, so. And she's...slightly more human than Peter, if that makes any sense; Peter went a little crazy over the years.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Oh, Peta you are in for a shock. What do you mean she gets it second or third hand? Get's what? *is confused*

Your Narnia's timeline confuses the hell out of me, but that's ok. Even if there was an age of consent, THEY'RE THE FREAKING KINGS AND QUEENS, whose going to try and stop them? It's not like they have parents. Which is actually strange to think about. There like orphans, and Lucy's only ten. I mean, she probubly got back to England and was all "Who the heck are you? I don't have a mother." Actually, the fact that she doesn't have a mother from such a young age acounts for her being the (in my opinion) wildest and most rebelious. I'm pretty sure everyone figured this out like, a long time ago, but I've never thought about thier mother before so it's pretty revolutionary to me. I wonder if they ever had a Peter Pan "I miss my mother moment"? i think Susan or Edmund probubly did at the very begining, but then got over it and compleatly forgot they even had a mother.

Apparently, Osumare's sailors are the bomb, and don't care about age. At all.

I think a little crazy is a bit of an understatement. He went mad.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Well, Peta's still tied to Narnia, yes? Even though her bond is overshadowed by Peter's, which confuses the hell out of Narnia, because Narnia's aware that this person isn't her bonded, except everything is saying he is (everything here being magic and magical ties), and since Peter's bond is so strong he gets hit with all that emotion, plus what's been happening to Narnia these past few years, plus anything left over from the Great Autumn/the Telmarine reign that Peta hasn't managed to fix by sheer didn't of actually being in the country (which is, you know, kind of a big help, magically speaking. Like, the years Peter wasn't in Narnia during the Golden Age didn't ruin the country, but those were both visibly worth years in terms of crops, weather, natural disasters, that sort of thing). But Peta's still tied to Narnia too, so what she ends up getting is overflow from that; she only gets Narnia's feeling when the country's emotions are running very high. So all of what Narnia's feeling is going straight to Peter, some of it is getting siphoned off and going to Peta, any overflow from Peter is going to his Edmund, and there's probably not any overflow from Peta.

If that makes any sense at all, which I'm sure it didn't. (But, see, if Peter and Narnia (Narnia here being Edmund) were to have sex in Narnia, Peta would feel it. Which is awkward, but hey, this is Bedlamsbard's Narnia! Where everything's awkward!)

Yes, but I keep running into a mental block on the age issue, just because I got raised in that kind of culture. (HI AMERICA. LOVE YOU BUNCHES. *blows kisses*)

I feel so bad for the Pevensie parents. Seriously. I mean, I think Susan and Edmund are going to make at least a cursory attempt to listening, but I really, truly don't think Peter cared at all, and I don't think he even made an effort to make an effort. And Lucy was just confused out of her mind. (Plus, it's the sort of thing that might get overlooked...I mean, you've got all these city kids coming back from, hell, in some cases, upwards of a year spent in the country with someone else's family, and then you have the fathers and cousins and uncles and older brothers coming back from the war...no wonder someone might not have thought that there was somehting extra wrong with the Pevensie kids.)

Considering that Osumare himself set eyes on Peter and went, "Dude! Sixteen-year-old High King! Awesome!" only in a, you know, slightly less anachronistic way...I'm sure all of the Pevensies, uh, sampled the goods. So to speak.

This is true. Too bad no one noticed Peter losing his mind until it was gone!

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Okay, I get it now. Well, mostly. This part:
plus anything left over from the Great Autumn/the Telmarine reign that Peta hasn't managed to fix by sheer didn't of actually being in the country (which is, you know, kind of a big help, magically speaking.
still confuses me a bit. Help?

Have I mentioned that I love Bedlamsbard's Narnia. Yes I think I might have. Wouldn't this make Peta sad as well as awkward. I mean, at this piont, she's married to Peter and might even love him (as much as I love Peta/Caspain, I have this really soft spot for Peter/Peta. Like, I can't really say that I love one more than the other because there both so different, it's like apples and oranges), and I know she has Caspain, but, still, isn't she a little sad?

No, I know what you mean. I'm like that with everything else, but apparently, in the Narnia fandom, I have no problems with anything.

I've never really thought about that before, but it makes perfect sense. I mean, if that happened today they would have been at least sent to therapy or something, but theres so much other crap going on that it would be really easy to overlook.

Also, can you help my poor newbish self? I can't figure out how to put things under a cut. I tried the < lj-cut > < /lj-cut > thing and lots of other methods but it hates me and I can't get it to work. I ask because I kind of wrote a fic (well, more like a drabble, but it's Narnia, yay!) and I want to post it but I can't unless I have a cut (well I can but I don't want to.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

The Great Autumn (in the Warsverse) is the period of time between the Pevensies leaving and coming back. In its broadest definition, it covers about thirteen hundred years, the first three hundred or so of which are known as the Dying Times among Narnians (for good reason). There's a few hundred years between the Dying Times and the Conquest, during which the Telmarines moved in. The Conquest is when Caspian the Conqueror went on his conquering spree, and then after that we have Telmarine Narnia. Caspian's reign is known (at the moment) as the Second Summer.

That was probably not what you were asking. A lot of crappy stuff happened during the Great Autumn, including, oh, almost every forest in Narnia getting burnt down, and so that backlashes on Peter when he arrives in Narnia during PC. (And Peta, obviously, to a lesser extent.) Anyway, there was no one bound to the earth for that whole millennium, and there needs to be someone for Narnia to be healthy; someone who's bound can very slowly fix it just by being there. But with Peta gone for two years...and then Peter, with his substantially stronger bond, comes along...

Well, she's Peta, so she's a little pissed, even though she knows it's completely irrational. And she's a lot turned on, because she's slept with Peter and she's slept with her Edmund, and on a shallow level, they're pretty, and she's getting the emotional and physical backwash -- she can actually feel what I think Peter's feeling.

And -- it's kind of complicated, her emotions towards Peter. She loves him, but she's in love with Caspian, and she points out he could stay in Narnia -- and he says he can't, of course.

And then I remember that I deflowered Peter when he was fifeen and sixteen and we're not even really deflowering Edmund at this point, so I'm less bothered. Oh, my brain...

Hell, if it happened today, Mama Pevensie would have sued the professor for child abuse, which would have been amusing...

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