yes, yes, they're all so screwed, carry on

[bedlamsbard]

Stop the presses! Caspian has managed to learn that the world does not revolve around him. *is shocked*

This would be an interesting story to tell from two POVs, except I swore I'd never do that again after "In Constellated Wars." But still...

*sigh* Actually, to get the transitory aspect of the Caspian of "In Constellaed Wars" and the Caspian of "Once More for the Ages" that y'all keep asking for, I probably would have to do this from Caspian's POV, because all we're getting now is Edmund going, "Good, he's not so annoying, maybe I won't have to kill him and call it an accident after all," and cutting himself open (for, uh, unrelated reasons).

Look, see?

“The High King is in Narnia,” Caspian insists, and keeps talking even when the nix hits him again, spitting the words out along with blood and a shard of broken tooth. “The High King is at Aslan’s How, answering the call of Queen Susan’s horn. Peter of Narnia is here.”

“Lying Telmarine bastard!” the nix declares as Edmund revises his opinion of Caspian substantially.

Comments

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Can I just say that I am so excited for this fic? Because I totally am.

Also, I love the way you write Caspain. Because he really annoys me (except when he's with Peta, of course. For real, they are my Narnia OTP; they're so functional, its shockingly refeashing), but you make me ... like being annoyed with him? idk

And Edmund, I AM IN LOVE WITH YOU.
and cutting himself open *wants to ask why, but is being too nosy*

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

*preens a little bit* Caspian's an interesting guy to write. On the one hand, I occasionally want to strangle him because he's so...well, he's so Caspian. On the other hand, you need a character like that. And I could probably pull off almost the same thing by just using the Narnians, but Caspian's an outsider's outsider, and he's got potential. He's got a lot of potential.

(And what's interesting about the Petaverse is just how differently he relates to Peta as compared to Peter because Peta's female; he's not instinctively threatened by her the way he is by Peter.)

*wants to ask why, but is being too nosy*

The clue here is to think of Odysseus in the underworld summoning Teiresias in the Odyssey. *can be cryptic, too*

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

I don't write like, at all, but I think if I had to write from Caspain's POV I think I would shoot myself in the head. And you really do need him for stuff. He's good to have around. It's funny though because as much as I hate Caspain, I want him to have sex with everyone, with everyone being Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy, though perferably, not all at once (though right now, I'm a big fan of Caspian/Edmund/Lucy during Voyage. Actually the only way I can see Caspian/Edmund is with Lucy there too, because my Edmund doesn't like men, like at all) *muses*

(I like Peta's Caspian so much better than Peter's Caspain, and Peta/Caspian are my Narnia OTP. You think I'm kidding, but I am being so serious)

Oh, gosh, I haven't read Odessy in so long, I don't remember it at all. *danms you and your cryptic self*

On a side note, I am off to see PC. They still have it at the dollar theatures here. It's been like 5 months, how awsome is that?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Let's not get into how much I wanted to shoot Caspian and myself in the head while I was writing "In Constellated Wars." And the Caspian in the Golden Age story, "Old Timber to New Fires" (the title of which will change at some point in the near future), is nearly, though not quite, as bad. He's almost gone back to being just that entitled.

I am so flattered. You have no idea. I will write you Peta/Caspian if you give me a prompt! (Though if I have to write anything with Rilian, I'm withdrawing the offer. *snerk*)

It's not that long of a story, so you'll see soon, hopefully.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Even though "In Constellated Wars" was aparently a nightmare to write, it is just so awesome. I love it. And I actually read (and sort of enjoyed) Caspians POV. I never read Caspians POV, but, apparently, I will do it for you. Actually, my apparent hate for Caspian kind of amuses me, lol.

No, I am so flattered. You are offering to write a prompt for me. And even though you just had a promt post,I feel so special. Okay, so, I think you once said somewhere, sometime that Peta threw a total fit over the wedding and Edmund and Susan were running around trying to calm her down, and Lucy was just laughing, and Caspian was all "OMG, what have I gotten myself into?" so could you like elaborate on that? Or just anytime Peta throws a fit about something. Or anything about the wedding.
I hope I'm not being too specific. If I am, just write ANYTHING because I sort of love everything you write.

Also I have a question about Peta. You said once that Peta and Susan were closer than Peter and Susan (which makes total sense, but, idk, I'm just having a hard time pictureing thier relationship) but what about Peta and Peter's Susan? What is thier relationship like? What are the differences between Peter's Susan and Peta's Susan (if any) and how does Peta's relationship differ with each one? Also, what about Peta and Peter's Edmund? Diddn't they have like an on-again off-again relationship? Is there still tension (well, on Peta's side that is)?
*bombards you with questions*

Yay! It bothered me in the movie that it was just like *POOF* they had thier armor there, when they obviously didnn't carry it there, so I'm really glad that you are answering all my burning movieverse questions.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

I think "In Constellated Wars" destroyed my ability to write normal fic for a while. After that it was all exposition, crack, and porn. *sigh*

Ficlet bit coming! At some point in the near future.

Well, I'm not really sure about Peta and the Peterverse Pevensies, mostly because I haven't quite worked out the timeline for that yet. I know that there is a situation that prompts Peta and Susan into liking and trusting each other. Initially Susan's pretty hesitant about the whole thing for book canon reasons; she's trying to move on, she's not really sure about this crazy chick that Peter married, etc. and so forth. After all, it's not really that easy to accept that your brother, the crazy one who used to be High King and hello, mostly sleeps with men, although recently not with anyone, and just came back from WWII, married a female version of himself from another world. But there's some mutual understanding there eventually.

By the time Peta meets Peter's Edmund, she and her Edmund haven't slept together for the better part of twenty years; she was married to Caspian, after all. She's probably likely to drop that bombshell at some point, but it's not really an issue. On the other hand, Edmund's deeply suspicious of Peta, probably for good reason.

I am filling in gaping (or just there) plot holes. It makes me happy. Or, well, in this case it depresses me horribly, but that has less to do with the movie and more to do with what I'm writing.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahahaha, it actually didn't realize that until you pointed that out. Oh "In Constellated Wars" we owe you so much.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense for them to be really "WTF!" about the whole thing but I can definatly see Susan trusting Peta before Edmund does. So, does this mean that Susan ends up going to the Stepford Country, as well? Or does "Be Like Water" transition into Immortal!Susan fic? I imagine going back to Narnia again, and not only her Narnia but an alternate universe of her Caspian's Narnia, would leave her pretty pissed or screwed up and she might even be more likely to not end up in Stepford Country. *ponders*

Also, can I add that it makes me really happy that they slept together, like, by choice? Peter/Edmund(/Narnia) really losses alot of its hotness becasue of all the creepy, but Peta/Edmund, omg, I think my brain just exploded from all the hotness. I really want to read them now? *headdesk*

Oh, I can just imagine that scene, and I am loling all over the place.
Edmund: We did what?
Peta: Oh, stop being so dramatic, Edmund.

Is it bad that when I went and saw PC (again) last night, I spent the whole time going "This is where Edmund gets drunk," and "After this is the assasination attempt," and "Here is where Caspain and Edmund go get the armor," and "Then Caspain and Peter makeout." Also, when does the Peter/Narnia(/Edmund) scene happen in PC? I put it after the council of war but before the raid. *shrugs*

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

oops that was me

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

"Be Like Water" uses Warsverse background, but I don't really consider it Warsverse canon. I suppose it's one way events could go post-PC, with immortal!Susan another one. And it does AU book canon -- I mean, even beyond, uh, the Peta part. I think I'm going to end it with the implication that Peter, the Pevensies, and Jill and Eustace are going to be trapped wandering from Narnia to Narnia forever.

*bemused* Peta/Edmund and Peta/Narnia is a lot less screwed up than Peter/Narnia(/Edmund) because Peta's connection with Narnia isn't as strong as Peter's is, for a couple of reasons. Narnia doesn't have as strong a hold over her as she does over Peter; Peta's not in love with Narnia.

Sometimes I think I write stuff just for the snark.
Peter: You slept with Edmund?
Peta: What, didn't you?
Peter: Edmund slept with you?
Peta: Well, you did.
Peter: That's different! I wasn't...her.
Peta: Well, neither was he.
Edmund: Oh my God.

Aw. *is touched* The Peter/Edmund(/Narnia) would take place right after "The Bone's Prayer", which is when Caspian and Edmund go off to Cair Paravel to get the armor.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

I really like that idea, even though it is, like, indcredibly depressing, if you really think about it. And I didn't realize that Jill and Eustace were be in "Be Like Water," too. I'd seen you mention it before but didn't realize it was finalized. I really don't remember the two of them that well, but I'm afraid to re-read the books becasue I have an elaborate theory about the relationships between books and movies and what re-reading books does for my brian.

So, when you say Peta/Narnia is there any sort of physical relationship (like Peter/Narnia(/Edmund) but not as bad or not with Edmund) or is it all theory? Did they have any sort of bond beyond the initial bonding (like a less intense version of the earth bond)? Is Narnia ever in Peta's head? Also, does Peta's Narnia and Peter have a stronger bond than Peta and Peta's Narnia? Does Peta's Narnia fall in love with Peter? Wow, now I am imagining Peter'sNarnia/Peter/Peta'sNarnia love triangle or even worse Peter'sNarnia/Peter/Edmund/Peta'sNarnia/Peta love pentagon. There are so many combinations of this, like if Peta's Narnia likes Peter better, we have Peter/Peta'sNarnia/Peta, and then we'll obviously have Peter/Peta'sNarnia(/Edmund). omg, my brain.

The snark (mostly the sibling snark) you write, is my favorite of yours. It never stops being funny, like, I just read "Ere Yet We Lose The Legions" again and the snark still made me really happy. I just feel like you really get them. And it are hilarious to boot.

Oh, that makes sense. So "The Bones Prayer" happens after "In Constelated Wars" but before Peter is being all emo while staring at a gaint picture of Aslan at the How? Does anything else of importance happen between "In Constelated Wars" and "The Bones Prayer"?

Just curious, but do Edmund and Peter ever sleep with eachother other than Peter/Narnia(/Edmund) or Edmund/WhiteWitch(/Peter)? I just find it interesting that Peta and Edmund get together outside of creepy love triangles but Peter and Edmund don't. But then again, with all the creepy Peter/Narnia(/Edmund) going on, I don't think they'd really want to have sex outside of that. I wonder if there was no earth bond if they would have the same kind of relationship that Peta and Edmund have. *ponders*

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Well, nothing's really finalized yet -- aside from the porn and a couple of comment scenes, there's only about a thousand words of the story written, where Caspian and the Pevensies first meet in the woods. And it's not really necessary to have Eustace and Jill there, just that in the Peterverse timeline this would take place after VotDT and SC and it makes logical sense for them to be there. Although they're going to be shocked, because this is the first time that they're really going to see High King Peter and Queen Susan in action...

There is, but I think (and I could be wrong, because I don't really think about Golden Age Peta all that much) that it was only the one time. And Peta not being Peter, Narnia doesn't tend towards full-out possession. The Peta/Narnia bond is a much healthier bond than the Peter/Narnia bond -- I think the strength of the Peter/Narnia bond was what Narnia needed at the time, but Peta was a lot more opposed to it than Peter was, and so the bond turned into what would have been a healthy bond during a healthy period in Narnian history. (So Peta's Narnia, during the Golden Age and then during the Second Summer, her reign in Telmarine Narnia, wasn't necessary as healthy or successful as Peter's.) A weaker bond, one that didn't give Narnia as much power -- more or less just the awareness of the country at a barely conscious level, and very occasionally knowledge of how Narnia's feeling at the moment. Whereas Peter's aware of it all the time.

And yeah, Peta's Narnia likes Peter better. There's an awkward moment...though frankly, on some level Peta's glad of it, because she's so relieved at what she, Edmund, and Caspian (because the second time 'round, it was Caspian rather than Edmund) ended up with compared to Peter and his Edmund. And on another level...well. Awkwardness all 'round!

Aw, thanks. *blush*

No, I think -- and I don't remember exactly what happens in that scene, because there's a similar scene at the end of "Constellated" and I, um, get them mixed up -- it happens after that. And I don't think there's anything important between the two, although there's a radical departure in Caspian's attitude (which, hell, I think is covered in the film, but people keep telling me I have to explain), but there's one bit between "The Bone's Prayer" and the battle, and probably one before "Constellated." It could happen afterwards, though. *thoughtful*

Maybe? I'm not really sure. I think Peter has too much of a guilt complex, and Edmund doesn't prefer men.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Okay, wait, back up. Peter is staring at Aslan, and Lucy comes in and comforts him, and then Edmund comes in and say's "Pete, you'd better come quickly." and then they run ouside and it's like BAM! Miraz's army. The next thing we see is the second council of war. So it happens after they see Miraz's army but before the second council of war? Or does it happen after that? (between the council of war and when Edmund delivers the message to Miraz) It would be just like Narnia to want a booty call while Edmund was preparing to be diplomatic and Peter was preparing to fight(wait, wasn't Peter looking at maps? *is confused*).

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

"Isn't she going to get more pregnant?" Edmund asks, watching critically as the dressmaker measures Peta's midsection.

Peta gives him an alarmed look and then looks down. "I don't think I can get more pregnant," she says. "Please tell me I can't get more pregnant. I already hate being this pregnant."

"Unless you're having twins," Lucy says from where she's kicking her heels up on Peta's bed, leafing through one of the books from the castle library.

Peta's expression goes stony. Edmund sees Caspian steel himself visibly as Peta turns her head towards him. "Caspian," she says, "if you got me pregnant with twins, I'll kill you."

"Twins don't run in my family," Caspian says hastily.

"They don't in ours, either," Susan says soothingly, sweeping in from the hallway with an armful of fabric. "Trufflehunter's just gotten back to; the Narnians won't accept a Telmarine wedding, and the Telmarines won't accept a Narnian wedding. We are going to have to do two, I'm afraid, rather than combine traditions from both like I'd hoped."

"Two?" Peta says, horrified. "And by Narnian wedding you don't mean --"

Susan gives her a gimlet glare. "Yes," she says. "I do."

Edmund glances over at Caspian. "How's that going to go over?" he mutters to Susan as she comes over.

"I'm hoping she's willing to get him drunk," Susan says under her breath, and starts laying out the fabric samples on the bed next to Lucy. "There's crimson, scarlet, carmine, burgundy --"

"They're all red," Peta says flatly.

"Yes," Susan says. "They're all red. They're all various shades of red, because in Telmarine tradition, the bride wears red, and then the groom rips the dress off her body."

Caspian coughed. "Not --"

"Really?" Peta says, looking a little more interested. Or at least less like she wants to kill something.

"In the bedroom," Susan continues. "Apparently they used to do it in public, but that part of the tradition has fallen out of vogue in the past century or so."

"Thank the little gods," Caspian murmurs.

"Su," Edmund says, turning to her, "isn't Peta going to get more pregnant?"

Susan blinks at him. "I don't think she can get pregnant again at the moment."

"Ever," Peta hisses. "Never again. Caspian, if you even think about getting me pregnant again --"

"I didn't --"

"You most certainly did," she snaps. "There certainly wasn't anyone else, and if you're implying that I --"

"No!" he says, sounding and looking horrified. "Of course not! I would never! I just meant --"

"Stop now," Edmund advises him. "But I'm serious, isn't she --"

"How far along are you?" the sempstress asks Peta briskly.

Peta hesitates. "Two months?" she says uncertainly, and then looks at Edmund.

"How am I supposed to know?" he demands.

"Well, I don't," she snaps back. "I was a little preoccupied by the war."

The sempstress nods to herself. "And when is the wedding?" she inquires, only looking a little scandalized by the prospect of marrying a pregnant queen to her prince.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

"In three months," Susan says. "We're already rushing it --"

"Rushing?" Peta says disbelievingly.

"-- but the baby should be legitimate, and I don't think Peta should be nine months pregnant at the altar."

"She'll just be beginning to show, then," the sempstress says. "I can compensate for that in the design, I'm sure."

"If we have to get married, can't we just get married now?" Peta demands. "Why all the rigmarole? It seems like far too much trouble, and the longer we wait the more chance something will go wrong. I don't want to have to kill another fiance."

"I don't like that idea either," Caspian adds helpfully.

"It's not about the wedding," Susan says briskly. "It's about making a political point about Narnia and Telmarine Narnia."

"Couldn't you just send out a messenger?"

"No," Edmund and Susan say together.

"Really, I think it would be much more efficient," Peta says. "And cheaper."

"No," Edmund says again.

Peta opens her mouth to say something else, then pauses. "I'm going to throw up now," she announces, and makes a hasty exit to the attached bathroom, shortly followed by the sound of retching.

"She's going to start yelling again," Edmund predicts and goes to catch Caspian by the arm, towing him out of the room. "Let's go get something to drink."

"But --"

"She is, isn't she?"

"Yes, but --"

"So we'll be better off. Su can explain everything."

Susan looks up from the fabric samples. "You'll hear the screaming in about five minutes," she says, sighing.

"This is true," Caspian says, "but I don't think I should --"

"Yes," Edmund says firmly, "you should. Before she throws something at you."

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

OMG! Commence key smashing: fkjdl;a;ajgkjjfk;a;jdkjfjgjgdk

This is fantastic. I am sort of at a loss for words. Okay, I will try to find some coherency.

I know Lucy isn't really in this, but I love her kicking her feet on Peta's bed and being snarky.

And Edmund and Susan, a united force against the crazyness that is Peta. They seem closer than Peter's Ed & Su, at least the second time around. Also, I love the part where she doesn't know how far along she is and looks at Edmund and he's all "How am I supposed to know?" Ed, you kill me with your awsomeness.

And Peta and Caspian, seriously cavity inducing. I actually really like him, mostly because he's so good to her, it's adorable.

"Really?" Peta says, looking a little more interested. Or at least less like she wants to kill something.

This is my absolute favorite line. Its so Peta. Blah, blah, blah, wedding, blah, red, blah, sex, blah, ... wait, SEX?

And also, "Yes," Edmund says firmly, "you should. Before she throws something at you." Edmund, WHY ARE YOU SO AWSOME?

I am refraining from copying and pasteing like, the whole freaking thing, and I love how my comment isnt in order, uh, at all.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

They are so much fun to write. And so much more functional at this point than in any Peterverse, which is kind of surprising.

Why should Peta know when she got pregnant? She has important things to worry about! It could have been any of...a lot of times. *cough* (Although really, it's the time right after the battle when Peta dragged Caspian off to the side of the How.)

Peta and Caspian. So cute. SO CUTE.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Although really, it's the time right after the battle when Peta dragged Caspian off to the side of the How.

Is there text evidence for this? There's alot of Peta/Caspian porn floating around, but I can't remember if you've already wrote this and it's just floating around somewhere. *goes off to look for it*

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Uh, here (http://bedlamsbard.livejournal.com/267137.html?thread=1559937).

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

oh, the porn. *covers eyes*

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Also, the history fascinates me.

And my Narnian wedding, do we mean earth bond? Does this mean Peta never had the earth bond with Narnia during the Golden Age? Or if she did, who did she have it with?

Also, I just remembered that all these Pevensies die, and now I'm really sad. I mean, I know we still have Peter's Pevensies, but it's still really depressing to think that these Pevensies end up getting killed or commiting suicide.

Now I am wondering what would have happened if Peta's Pevensies didn't really die and Peta's Pevensies and Peter's Pevensies meet up when Peter's Pevensies went back to rescue Caspian. I am imagining the Edmunds being really skeptical and distrustful and the Lucys being really excited and the Susans being wary.

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

No, the earth bond's different than the wedding/ritual. The earth bond basically involves, in its rawest form, Peter mixing her blood with Narnian earth, drinking it (in wine) and swearing an oath. The wedding is actually an ancient fertility ritual that guarantees a good crop, healthy land, so on and so forth. Peta (and Peter) did it with Edmund the first time 'round, and usually the "bride" in this case gets possessed by Narnia (bride here being Edmund both times). I am not sure if Narnia actually possesses Caspian or not, but there's a reason the Pevensies want to get him drunk first, and only part of that is that it's going to be public sex in the fields surrounded by drunken Narnians.

*cough* I have nothing to say to the rest...

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

Oh, I didn't realize that Edmund had the wedding/ritual with Peta too. I wonder how Caspain will react to that.
Caspain: We're going to do what? In front of who?
I guess that's why they want to get him drunk first, but do they ever actually tell him about Narnia the vindictive country?

LIES! You are bursting with opinions! It's even crazier than Peter and Peta because at least with them there is some sort of distinction, but with the others it like meeting your clone or your evil twin.

[starsimpulse.livejournal.com]

By I wonder how Caspian will react to that I meant the ritual part itself not the Edmund part, but the Edmund part is interesting to think about, too. I'm assuming Caspain never knows in Peterverse, but does he in Petaverse? Do they ever tell him. I'd imagine they won't have too many secrets after 13 years of marraige. Wait, were they married for 13 years or 15 or 18?

[bedlamsbard.livejournal.com]

Which is kind of awkward, because since it's a fertility ritual, the question is how did Edmund avoid knocking up Peta, especially with magic involved?

Maybe? It's not the issue with Peta that it is with Peter, so it's not as important.

There's a good reason Peta wants to get Caspian drunk. *smirk*

No, I, uh...secret plot twist.

[aella_irene]

The clue here is to think of Odysseus in the underworld summoning Teiresias in the Odyssey

Oddly enough, I have an idea for some (original) short stories based along those lines...