...great, now I have to wait for my copy of PC to arrive just so I can look at the geography around Cair Paravel. Except then I'll probably end up ignoring it anyway, and clearly we aren't getting actual movie canon evidence of Telmarine Cair Paravel until SC comes out in, like, 2012. And clearly I'm not waiting that long to write Dust 6.
OKAY. The answer here is ask people very nicely what they noticed, look up the beach they filmed that bit on, look at the map of the shoreline, and logic it out from there. Caspian didn't build on the nameless island, but he built relatively near it -- within a day's ride, probably less -- good natural harbor, the castle a mar has to be on a cliff -- I established the White Cliffs of Morgencolla in "The White City", so I suppose that would be a decent place, except I don't think the White Cliffs have a harbor. Except New Cair Paravel could be like Athens, and the harbor could be a couple miles away. That is an option. But I definitely want cliffs.
*stares at official Narnia map* Is it. So damn hard. To make a NEW MAP? Since the coastline clearly changed between LWW and PC; Old Cair Paravel is now an island. We could put New Cair Paravel on the headland where Old Cair Paravel used to be, which is the most logical place because that's where the mouth of the Great River is, and then the nameless island (if one has not yet figured it out, the nameless island is the island where the ruins of Old Cair Paravel are) could be in the harbor. Like the Statue of Liberty. Except less, you know, welcoming, because of the whole "haunted by bloodthirsty ghosts" thing.
*bats eyelashes* Anybody who has PC already, or gets it some time before I do (which is probably going to be late next week or early the week after; I ordered it from Amazon), or has really good screencaps of the mainland around Cair Paravel -- any chance you want to tell me about it? I mean, chances are I'm just going to make this up anyway, but it would be nice to have some semi-canonical support.
ETA: There are pictures, and they are friggin' gorgeous. I mean, after this I get to google castles and try and figure out what Caspian would have built and how it would have been built on top of a cliff (elements of Telmarine and Narnian architecture, emphasis on the Telmarine because Caspian is Telmarine and Narnian because he would have been trying to imitate the Cair Paravel he saw in Cornelius' books, but New Cair Paravel wouldn't have the "grew out of the ground" aspect that Old Cair Paravel had), but whatever, castles aren't that hard to google, unlike, say, CLIFFS.
Cathedral Cove, Ha Hei Beach, Coromandel, New Zealand 2 3 (and then I abruptly remembered that this is the nameless island, not the mainland. CRAP.)
Mercury Bay, Coromandel, New Zealand 2
Hereherataura, Coromandel, New Zealand
Except those are all film sites for the nameless island, not the mainland. *bites lip* And the rest of the New Zealand sites are the river, and everything else was filmed in the Czech Republic and Poland.
ETA2: Oh my God, if I have to look up clothes on top of geography, cliffs, and castles -- I am taking my costuming cues from Stardust, which means Peter is now dressed like Tristan. Does anyone, uh, want to tell me what era of history that's from? Victorian? Or I could knock it back to PotC style; they don't actually seem to be all that different despite the two hundred year gap. I definitely want it to seem like time has progresed from the Golden Age and from Caspian's time, which leaves out your general period fantasy garb, a.k.a. the majority of the LotR stuff except for the hobbits. That'd work, probably.
You know what would be nice? If costuming fans did not focus on just the women ninety percent of the time. It's a lot harder to find pictures of men's costumes than of women's. I mean, yeah, the women have gorgeous dresses and all that, but it doesn't help when you're trying to dress the boys.
Funnily enough, the one point of description in Dust and my other Narnia fic seems to be that I describe the clothes. Not the scenery, not the characters, just the clothes. This is funny because I don't actually know all that much about clothes. *sigh*
OKAY. The answer here is ask people very nicely what they noticed, look up the beach they filmed that bit on, look at the map of the shoreline, and logic it out from there. Caspian didn't build on the nameless island, but he built relatively near it -- within a day's ride, probably less -- good natural harbor, the castle a mar has to be on a cliff -- I established the White Cliffs of Morgencolla in "The White City", so I suppose that would be a decent place, except I don't think the White Cliffs have a harbor. Except New Cair Paravel could be like Athens, and the harbor could be a couple miles away. That is an option. But I definitely want cliffs.
*stares at official Narnia map* Is it. So damn hard. To make a NEW MAP? Since the coastline clearly changed between LWW and PC; Old Cair Paravel is now an island. We could put New Cair Paravel on the headland where Old Cair Paravel used to be, which is the most logical place because that's where the mouth of the Great River is, and then the nameless island (if one has not yet figured it out, the nameless island is the island where the ruins of Old Cair Paravel are) could be in the harbor. Like the Statue of Liberty. Except less, you know, welcoming, because of the whole "haunted by bloodthirsty ghosts" thing.
*bats eyelashes* Anybody who has PC already, or gets it some time before I do (which is probably going to be late next week or early the week after; I ordered it from Amazon), or has really good screencaps of the mainland around Cair Paravel -- any chance you want to tell me about it? I mean, chances are I'm just going to make this up anyway, but it would be nice to have some semi-canonical support.
ETA: There are pictures, and they are friggin' gorgeous. I mean, after this I get to google castles and try and figure out what Caspian would have built and how it would have been built on top of a cliff (elements of Telmarine and Narnian architecture, emphasis on the Telmarine because Caspian is Telmarine and Narnian because he would have been trying to imitate the Cair Paravel he saw in Cornelius' books, but New Cair Paravel wouldn't have the "grew out of the ground" aspect that Old Cair Paravel had), but whatever, castles aren't that hard to google, unlike, say, CLIFFS.
Cathedral Cove, Ha Hei Beach, Coromandel, New Zealand 2 3 (and then I abruptly remembered that this is the nameless island, not the mainland. CRAP.)
Mercury Bay, Coromandel, New Zealand 2
Hereherataura, Coromandel, New Zealand
Except those are all film sites for the nameless island, not the mainland. *bites lip* And the rest of the New Zealand sites are the river, and everything else was filmed in the Czech Republic and Poland.
ETA2: Oh my God, if I have to look up clothes on top of geography, cliffs, and castles -- I am taking my costuming cues from Stardust, which means Peter is now dressed like Tristan. Does anyone, uh, want to tell me what era of history that's from? Victorian? Or I could knock it back to PotC style; they don't actually seem to be all that different despite the two hundred year gap. I definitely want it to seem like time has progresed from the Golden Age and from Caspian's time, which leaves out your general period fantasy garb, a.k.a. the majority of the LotR stuff except for the hobbits. That'd work, probably.
You know what would be nice? If costuming fans did not focus on just the women ninety percent of the time. It's a lot harder to find pictures of men's costumes than of women's. I mean, yeah, the women have gorgeous dresses and all that, but it doesn't help when you're trying to dress the boys.
Funnily enough, the one point of description in Dust and my other Narnia fic seems to be that I describe the clothes. Not the scenery, not the characters, just the clothes. This is funny because I don't actually know all that much about clothes. *sigh*
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Date: 2008-12-01 05:57 am (UTC)Don't say I never did nuthin' for ya.
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Date: 2008-12-01 06:14 am (UTC)Okay...hmm, the question is whether those outlying bits of land are islands or part of the mainland? And I'm going to have to rewatch parts of LWW again. That'll be a hardness. All that forest is going to be gone by LB. *thoughtful* I mean, it wasn't there in LWW, period, grew up during the intervening thousand years, was chopped down by the Telmarines during the second Telmarine age, and then the Calormenes went on a wood-cutting spree throughout Narnia, so --
Um, I think too much. But seriously. TEN MILLION YEARS OF LOVE.
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Date: 2008-12-01 06:16 am (UTC)*smish*
Oidhche mhath!
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Date: 2008-12-01 05:00 pm (UTC)I suppose the question comes down to whether or not Caspian would have built on the ruins of Cair Paravel. And it's an island, so that seems fairly inconvenient. And my Old Cair Paravel is well and truly haunted, so I know that New Cair Paravel is on the mainland, I just need to figure out where on the mainland. *sigh* I'm certain they didn't think about this when they were actually filming, so I'll check out LWW again too, even though we know extremely well that the land changed in the intervening time.
(Really, this isn't as big a deal as I'm making it out to be, I'm just vaguely psychotic. And wishing I could draw/design as well as I write.)
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Date: 2008-12-01 07:50 pm (UTC)thrones... are more the *idea* of thrones. The closest thing anyone ever had to one of those is the Stone of Scone. otherwise the throne was whatever impressive chair was deemed suitable for the purpose, stone or not. They got re-carved pretty often as it was. It's like crowns - they get reforged and added to as the years go by, but technically they're the same crown. The current queen's looks *nothing* like it did a couple of centuries ago, even though it's got some of the same bits in it.
:muses: actually the throne thing is something Tolkein had - and they did hang out together. considering tolkein was to blame for one of the *worst* myths about the line of royalty to ever get perpetuated - that you still had any claim whatsoever to the throne more than two generations after your family got kicked off it and you had no political or military power, it's not surprising. He with the most power has the right to be king. The average pig-keeper probably has more 'royal blood' than Aragorn ever did, considering the propensity of royalty to shag the maids and then boot them out of the castle with a nice stipend if they were lucky.
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Date: 2008-12-01 09:45 am (UTC)Please tell me it wasn't the same damn river they used for Arwen's ford. It looked so incredibly similar when Caspian was fleeing across it...
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Date: 2008-12-02 12:27 am (UTC)What gets me is that there's a scene in The Last Samurai that you can totally tell is filmed in the same place as a scene in RotK. It's like, wait, aren't the Rohirrim supposed to be here, not the samurai?
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Date: 2008-12-01 04:21 pm (UTC)And again I admire your awesome research powers, which is probably why your fics are so good.
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Date: 2008-12-01 08:05 pm (UTC)John Peacock's book 'Costume 1066 - 1990s' is my usual reference:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Costume-1066-1990s-Complete-English-History/dp/0500277915/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228161701&sr=1-4
and then there's this one I want to get (it's in colour!)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chronicle-Western-Costume-Ancient-Twentieth/dp/0500511519/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228161701&sr=1-1
If I could work out how to scan using my brand new printer... give me a few weeks & I should get there!
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